The "meanest and baddest" of the BKK areas is Patpong.  For a 
less expensive time and virtually the same quality level, try the 
Nana Plaza.  A bar girl in Patpong will cost you 1500 Baht plus 
the bar fine of 325 Baht.  At the Nana Plaza, the gal will cost 
500 Baht.

If you want to see one of the "sex shows" (just like 
temples...seen one, you've see them all), try the Queens Castle 
in Patpong.  At the bars run by the Kings Group, you generally 
will not get ripped off, but be careful and look for a check 
after ordering each drink.

I don't know where the 80% AIDS rate/ and special strain of AIDs 
comment came from....  I doubt if it's accurate, however, 
EVERYONE should play safe when in BKK, or anywhere.

If you're up later, try hitting the Therme Coffee Shop after 
midnight for an experience you will never duplicate anywhere else 
in the world.!!!

Date: 13 Jul 1995 03:25:36 GMT

Concerning Thermae Coffee Shop: I've BEEN there! Everything you say is
true. Among my friends (and thousands of other travelers) Thermaes is
the number one GLOBAL hangout ;-)

Jampacked with Thai girls seeking to pick up foreigners for a "good time".
Sometimes secretaries, ship-girls, even schoolteachers and other
"semi-pros" make the scene to earn a little extra cash.

I once picked up a sweet young thing at Thermaes and I picked her
for two reasons:

 1.) She had large breasts. I was not disappointed :-)

 2.) She sported a pair of eyeglasses on her pretty face; she appeared
     very intellectual. I found out when I got her to my room that the
     lenses were plain glass. The glasses were just a prop. I couldn't
     find if she wore them because she thought they made her look
     better (somehow I doubt that) , or because she found that a good
     looking, big titted babe with eyeglasses attracts a superior sort
     of fellow at a place like Thermae Coffe Shop <g>.

Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 11:41:49 UTC

The Nana is still kicking, having been there just over 3 weeks ago. My
mates and I had a great time. Tips for any takers? First of all, the
Nana hotel across the street is THE place to stay. The rooms do not
look great, but the pool is a nice comfort the day after. Also, it is
only a stumble across the street.  The closing time these days is
around 4am, only the Hollywood Royale is open later.  These days, or
'off season' , as we have been told, the talent at the Nana is better
than in Patpong. However, prices have caught up, as the girls ask for
1000 Baht up front. You can bargain etc. For any Asians planning a
lookie - beware if you look like a Thai, because they are not so
friendly, and a bit more than wary of you! I guess it would be the
same as if a gang of blokes was in one of the joints, and suddenly a
lass from their home town walks in you'd get a bit chilled, too.

The Thermae bar is tops, mate. Let it he known that the man in the
uniform in the middle of the room really is a cop -the chief of
police, as well as the governor of the bar. Do not mess around in
here, mates.

You are now up to date on the state of affairs.

Subject: Re: The Thermae, Bangkok Thailand
Date: Sun, 07 Jul 1996 13:26:55 GMT

>When I was in Bangkok in January, a lady I have know for several years
>told me that the Thermae would be closing in a few months.  Does anyone
>know if this has happened or not?  Bangkok won't be the same without it. 
>If it has closed, is there somewhere else that is taking it's place?

It was NOT closed as of June 8 1996.  There have been rumours of
Thermae closing for several years, as yet it hasn't happened.

Subject: Thermae closing
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 06:36:20 GMT

 (UPI Spot NewsFeature) (12 July 1996)
 Bangkok expats mourn Thermae closure

   BANGKOK (UPI) -- A late-night Bangkok expatriate institution
for 35 years, the Thermae Coffee Shop, will close its doors for
the last time Sunday.
   During the Vietnam War it vied for the prize of "favorite G.I.
bar" with such legendary late-night haunts as the Thai Yanok and
the Grace Hotel.
   Only the Thermae survived Bangkok's frenzied modernization and
building boom basically unchanged -- until Sunday when a wrecking
crew is due to begin carting away the tacky chairs and tables
that supported the Thermae's distinctly Thai floating world.
   Seven nights a week, barring coups and Buddhist holidays, the
Thermae was packed with mainly Western men and mainly
Northeastern Thai women from midnight through the wee hours.
   Their intercultural interaction varied from a "short-time" to
a lifetime.
   There are no statistics on how many marriages began with a
furtive glance -- or grope -- at the Thermae. But there can be no
doubt that the crowded, subterranean coffeeshop in the heart of
Bangkok's Sukhumvit Road tourist belt was a prime breeding ground
for a vast number of Thai-foreigner romantic liaisons.
   "The first time I dropped down to the Thermae was in 1967 and
most of the customers were G.I.s," recalled Norman Smith, 54, a
long-time American resident of Thailand. "In those days there was
a lot of rivalry between the services, mostly between the Marines
and the Army, so there were lots of fights."
   He said intense rivalry also existed between the American
servicemen on "rest and recreation" visits from Vietnam and the
more than 50,000 G.I.s based in Thailand, referred to derisively
by the combat veterans as "Bangkok warriors."
   "After the bars closed the Thermae would fill up with G.I.s
and a few civilians," Smith said. "The juke box played the song
'San Francisco' over and over. The girls from the massage parlor
upstairs drifted down in their pink hot pants. It was great."
   The name Thermae is of Greek origin, a kind of bath house
where Romans gathered to discuss the issues of the day.
   Bangkok's Thermae reputedly sold more beer -- mainly the
potent local favorite, Singha -- than any other outlet in
   High volume and, it was whispered, first-rate police
connections, made the Thermae resistant, but not immune, to
periodic vice crackdowns and coups.
   Post-coup curfews would generally push the Thermae's prime
time back a few hours. Then, as the midnight hour approached, a
mating frenzy would sweep the coffeeshop.
   Those who managed to pair up in time would then have to deal
with the taxi drivers whose greed knew no bounds in the countdown
to curfew.
   The Thermae has survived by bending with the prevailing
political and economic winds.
   When the G.I.s pulled out in 1976 the breech was filled by a
surge of European "sex tourists," and waves of youthful
   The Thermae partied on.
   Bangkok-based Canadian novelist Christopher Moore found
inspiration in the Thermae for a series of novels. In "A Killing
Smile," the thinly disguised Thermae is called "Headquarters."
   Like many of the Thermae's "old hands," Moore mourned the
closing of "HQ" as the end of an era.
   "The Thermae was the perfect crossroads where people of all
nationalities dropped into the underworld, the nightworld," Moore
said. "No one was excluded. Old hands. New hands. People with no
hands. The Thermae was the ultimate party, a celebration of
conversation, local gossip, travelers information and of course,
there were the women."
   The Thermae women have, in general, accepted the nightspot's
imminent destruction more philosophically than the men. "Mai pen
rai" (Never mind), is, after all, Thailand's unofficial national
   "We only came here because the coffee was cheaper than at the
Grace, the Nana and the Thai Yanok," shrugged one distaff Thermae
25-year veteran. "There will always be another place."
   Indeed, a "new Thermae," located in a basement a couple of
doors up Sukhuvit Road is scheduled to open Tuesday.
   "I'm sorry we have to close," lamented a Thermae waiter. "But
what can I do? They want to build a condo or something. Come to
the new place. It will be just the same."
   But old Thermae hands already have started complaining it's
just not the same.

Subject:      Re: Thermae Coffee shp/Thailand
Date:         1996/09/15

>> Does anyone know if Thermae was closed down, and why?

> Yes, it was closed before March of this year.  

Thermae is not closed, it's relocated right up the street. 
Business as usual.

Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 18:25:22 +0700
Subject: Re: Thai info

I meant to send in something sooner, but frankly the FAQ's you already
have are really good -- considering that from internal evidence it
appears these guys have only been to Thailand three or four times they
really have a handle on it.

OK, something that might be useful: It's widely known that the old Thermae
closed down months ago. What isn't so widely known is that it opened up
again only about 50 meters away. It's still located on Sukhumvit Road
between Soi 13 and Soi 15, but about 50 meters closer to Soi 15. It's in the
basement of the Ruam Chitt building, which also houses something called The
Marble House Traditional Thai Massage (can't tell you anything about it --
massage parlors aren't my thing). As of New Years 1970 they finally put up a
fairly noticeable sign.

Reasons I like the Thermae:
(a) The girls don't work there, so there's no bar fine; you don't buy the
girl out when you want to take her out.
(b) The girls charge less than the girls who work at Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy,
or (shudder) Patpong. Most will still go for 600 baht (for a short-time,
about 1-1/2 to 2 hours), some want more. This is one area where you can
still bargain on the price.
(c) Actually, the girls are the same girls who work at Nana Plaza, Soi
Cowboy, or (shudder) Patpong -- they are just trying to earn more by going
to the Thermae after their regular place closes.
(d) Although I don't take advantage of it, girls at the Thermae will agree
to an "all-night" deal. In this case, since you wouldn't start until after
midnight, what they mean is they'll stay with you until noon or so. The
girls at the bars absolutely won't go all night (although they may promise
to, and charge accordingly).

Friends of mine compare the Thermae to the bar scene in Star Wars. I think I
like it because it is slightly (?) bizarre.

The main drawback with the Thermae is the hours -- usually nothing happens
earlier than 1:00 am, and things don't get really good until 3:00 am. But
don't give up! For people (like myself) who don't always want to stay out
all night, thoughtful entrepreneurs in Bangkok have opened a place on Soi 7
called the Biergarten. Actually, it's been there for many years, but I don't
think it's been open as long as the Thermae. The Biergarten is actually a
German restaurant which opens about noon and is open until 2:00 am. A large
number of young women hang out there until midnight, when they go to the
Thermae. Luck seems to be important at the Biergarten -- some days none of
the women there seem to be attractive, other days lots of them are. Very

As you may have noticed above I am strongly prejudiced against Patpong. The
bar owners over there seem to have only one reaction -- if business is not
good, raise the price. I used to enjoy sitting at the outside bar of a place
called the Love Boat and watching the action on the street. The streets are
now so filled by vendors' carts that you can hardly walk through. Because of
the high prices most of the places nearly went under last year, and a lot of
the girls moved to Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy. However, a lot of tourists
still go to Patpong, because that's what they've heard about.

A new law went into effect last month which increases the punishment for
engaging in sex with a prostitute under the age of 15 and makes it
punishable to have sex with a prostitute under the age of 18. Since the new
law also makes it a crime to be a prostitute, many of us believe that its
purpose is mostly to increase the power of the police to collect bribes and
possible also to increase the power of brothel owners and pimps. This is
really unfortunate, because in the past pimps hardly existed here.

People who are looking for really young girls had better figure on looking
outside of Bangkok. The youngest girl I've found so far is 18 (or at least
has a good ID card that says she's 18), and even the 60 Minutes TV team
couldn't find a girl under 18 on Patpong. I have read somewhere, and have
heard around, that younger girls often go to Pattaya when they hear a ship
will be in. On the other hand I haven't looked very hard for young girls and
am quite sure that some can be found in the brothels that exist for Thai and
Chinese men. I knew where some were several years ago, and I wouldn't
recommend those neighborhoods to out-of=towners.

Also on the downside, the owners of Nana Entertainment Plaza have built two
new beer bars in the middle of the compound. This is not quite as bad as the
vendors' carts in Patpong, but does reduce the pleasure of sitting outside
and watching things. Also, prices keep creeping up.

I'll try to put together a more organized information sheet. Meanwhile, I
don't know of any changes that need to be made to the FAQ's. All the places
mentioned by name that I can think of are still in business. Aside from the
constant pressure upward on prices there haven't been any significant
changes in the last two years.

Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 23:56:40 +0100
Subject: Thermae (Bangkok)

I can confirm that the new Thermae is open. It's now situated 50 meter
further than the old Thermae. It is under the hotel Ruamshitt Plaza in
Sukhumvit between soi 13 & 15. It's still the best place to go when you
need a "new love".

Date: Thu, 06 Mar 97 23:41:35 -0800
Subject: Bangkok

I recently stayed for a couple of nights at the Nana Hotel, and had a 
fantastic time. The hotel is not the last word in modern accomodation, 
being rather tatty and decayed, but the girls are amazing and there is no 
hassle about "visitors" to your room. I arrived at 6.oo a.m. and I was 
picked up by two girls in the coffee shop, on arival!

One was large and beautiful, the other was slightly drunk and beautiful. 
The bathed, massaged and fucked me, singly and together, for about three 
hours, for 1 000 baht each. As a result, I slept for most of the day and 
stayed awake for most of the night.

The Nana Entertainment Plaza now rivals, or betters, Patpong. It is not 
as extensive but it has enough bars and girls to cope with the clientele, 
probably at a lower price than Patpong. The quality is a matter of taste 
but I found the girls easily as beautiful and friendly as in Patpong.

I visited the new Thermae coffee shop, which I think is an improvement on 
the old dive, and picked up two girls. I had a slighlty unpleasant 
experience with a western guy who was wandering around the place 
insulting the girls - one of them told me that he regularly approaches 
the girls for free sex and abuses them when they refuse. I cannot 
understand this attitude, and I had harsh words with him before he got 
the message and pissed off. The girls were great - they even even had 
oral sex with each other other for an extra 500 baht (on top of the 1 000 
each) and pretended to enjoy it, I suppose for my benefit.

The last night I spent in the Nana "Love Disco", which is full of 
beautiful girls and sad western businessmen (like me). I ended up with 
another two girls, who were completely uninhibited with me and with each 
other. Again, the price was only 1 000 baht but I gave them another 1 000 
each for making me come several times. I won't be going back to Patpong - 
the Nana area is unbeatable.

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 17:59:16 +0200
Subject: [ASP] about Thermae Coffee Shop in Bangkok

Now, I opened a web site related to Thermae Coffee House in Bangkok.  This
web site is not dealing with prostitution, but I think can be of some
interest for WSG readers.  So I propose to add a link:

Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:07:05 +0100
Subject: World sex guide -Bangkok and Chiang Mai - Thailand

For the past 5 years I have spent 3 months of each  year in Thailand and
have just returned from my last trip. I speak a little Thai.  Perhaps I can
update your files to a small extent. My experiences cover Bangkok and
Chiang Mai.
Many other contributors to this database have said that in Bangkok, the sex
industry is concentrated in Patpong, Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza in that
order, that was true 5 years ago but now Nana is the place to be. The names
of the establishments seem to change every year and I cannot remember them
anyway. The best girls seem to be at the bars with the fewest outside
lights. Up to 12 Aug. 97 when I left, the bar with the best girls by far
was on the ground floor in the extreme top right hand corner as you come in
to the Plaza. When I first arrived in Mar 97 they had no outside lights at
all, just a small door with no name and I was not aware of the existence of
the place until a Thai friend took me there. In June they had a few
"Christmas Tree" Lights but it is still easy to miss it. They attract Thais
as well as visitors.  I had five of the most beautiful women that I have
ever seen from this bar in June and July 97. All would have been candidates
for Miss World and one 19 year old completely natural beauty would have had
Pamela Anderson reaching for the bicycle pump.  They ask for either 1400
Baht or 1000 Baht for 3 hours in your hotel room, but are negotiable down
to 800 Baht (or sometimes lower after 1 am). My experience is not to press
them below 1000 baht (the 200 Baht difference is 2 beers- and you make a
friend). Bar fines seem to be standard at 400 Baht,  Small Singha beer 65
Baht, ladydrinks 60 Baht (the girl gets about half of this).
I have visited all of the other bars in the Plaza and they are OK too, but
some were too quiet for comfort. Sometimes the small newly opened bars are
exceptional value and have amazing girls.
In the Plaza almost all the girls dance topless and some nude after
midnight. None of this swimsuit  nonsense that you get at Patpong.
Generally the establishments and the girls at bars in Bangkok are
completely honest (several times a girl has returned a tip when she thought
I had made a mistake), but for the first time in 1997 there were two
attempts to cheat me.
Once in Patpong I paid a bar fine and the girl disappeared, after 30
minutes I complained to the boss and he immediately refunded my money, no
questions asked.
Once in Soi Cowboy, 100 baht was added to my tab "for the music". I
protested and it was immediately refunded.
The message is check your tab and if you think you have been treated badly
then complain. But this is unusual.  Always treat the staff of the Bars and
the girls with courtesy, in the Thai culture you look stupid if you loose
your temper, have drunk too much, or misrepresent the truth. The girls may
be young and are often sexually inexperienced, but some are well
educated,they may have degrees. Some do the bar work partly to improve
their English and finance their postgraduate higher education. They (and
many Thais) see their work as no different from someone e.g. selling
financial services.

Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:07:07 CST
Subject: Bangkok, Thailand

THOUGH well-patronised, it is generally
accepted by regulars that the second location of
the favourite constellation (after hours meeting
place) in Fun City is inferior to the original. So
Thermae will be moving again shortly, this time
across Sukhumvit, diagonally opposite - between
Sois 10 & 12. I'll keep you Posted.

Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 14:48:35 +0700
Subject: Bangkok : Nana Entertainment Plaza

Hello.  The World Sex Guide is a great place to roam.  Me and my friends
find it very useful and informative.  Loads of great stuff.

Three of us guys are now at Bangkok Airport sending this message.  We
have just spent three days here checking out the "sights".  I think it
is safe to say we have tried almost everything.

From the guide, we gathered that Nana is supposed to be a great place
with beautiful and attractive girls.  Thinking that this would be true,
we visited Nana to take a look and try our luck.

Unfortunately, we must say that we are absolutely disappointed with the
place.  We found that the girls too young and unattractive compared to
those at Patpong (esp. King's Garden.  This is the place to be !!!  Many
beauties, although considerable doubt as to whether many of them are
actually female.)

While it is true that one man's meat is another man's poison, all three
of us unanimously agree that the praise for Nana found in the World Sex
Guide is totally undeserved.  To our minds, the place seemed like a
haven for paedophiles.  

Although Patpong may be a bit more expensive, we find it much better
than Nana by a long mile.  

So for those of you still keen to visit Nana, don't get your hopes too
high !!!!

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